Robert Joyner
The plot isn't so bad, but the pace of storytelling is too slow which makes people bored. Certain moments are so obvious and unnecessary for the main plot. I would've fast-forwarded those moments if it was an online streaming. The ending looks like implying a sequel, not sure if this movie will get one
chaos-rampant
This is a rare opportunity in film. At approx. 5 hours it may be a bit much for the average viewer, the premise is a documentary on the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF=Tsahal) but really it is about unfolding more aspects of Israeli self and identity. For the filmmaker, the project goes back to Shoah and Pourqouis Israel the latter of which I have written about here.It is a rare opportunity not so much for what you learn about the army. Yes, it is one of the most rigorously trained armed forces in the world, had to be. Yes, the army is so pervasive in everyday life that almost every single Israeli prime minister's career can be traced back to the military and war. The current one, Netanyahu, was a special ops commando. Armed duty is a matter of both pride and necessity for Israeli youth, accepted without complaint. I have experience with both the army in general and tanks up close, having served in both the infantry and the technician corps in an advanced base factory—enough to tell the Israelis are professional and committed. There's no rah-rah, not that we see anyway.Lanzmann has largely avoided emphasis, in this as in the previous Pourquois Israel, on the outright crazy Zionists, though a zealot settler is interviewed. He has once more marginalized Palestinians, which may be explained as being closer to the Israeli experience—we see them pass through checkpoints, Gaza kids as they throw rocks but those are passing glimpses.So watch this to be informed. How does the military commander of Gaza drive through hostile streets, fast or slow?Even better, inhabit the life. Let the film watch you for a while. What is it you see of you? Is it judgement? Appreciation? For me, the meandering voices of officers as they relate past experiences of war or strategy—among them two later prime ministers, Barak and Sharon then still generals in the army—began to phase out after a while, the lingering shots of landscape remained. Israel is a beautiful country, peculiar as defined by abstractions.Sand dunes, barbed wire, aerial views of the sea or planted fields surrounded by desert. Ugly high-rises of the new Jewish settlers of the West Bank. The drive through desolate Gaza City from behind armor-plated glass.The self attempts control of the elements in both what it builds and what stories it tells, both framing reality—some of it recorded on tape or film, some of it remembered, some of it reasoned to be so. Some of these views will last, others come to pass.
David Bober (david.bober)
I saw this documentary in a preview screening and saw Claude Lanzmann interviewed after the screening. IMO this is an engaging documentary by an engaging film-maker. The subject matter is absorbing and well-presented, without the hyperbole common in television news reporting. The New York Times described the film as a "ruminative, epic-length examination of the Israeli Army and what it demonstrates about Israel's national identity". The documentary includes interviews with Arik Sharon and Ehud Barak. contains fascinating insight into the minds of senior Israeli military officers (for current operations circa 1994), and offers their historical insight into previous IDF operations. This film really should be made available on DVD - not just for its engaging subject matter, but for its contribution to the documentary medium.
Speednz
I saw this film at the cinema in Israel just after it's release in 1994. I have an avid interest in the military in general and in the IDF in particular (later doing basic training there). As such this film was fascinating! It was about 5 hours long but seemed shorter. One of the things that I enjoyed about this film was it showed the soldiers as real people, as opposed to the faceless group you always see on the news, normally at a great distance. They talked to famous commanders like General Israel Tal, who were offering a wealth of information on the history and mission of this great organisation. Definitely recommended viewing. I have looked for this film on video/DVD for some years now without success.
